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PostSubject: No More Conspiracies   Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm

I give up. It sucks the life out of you. We're plugged into the Matrix but dealing with the reality is too painful; it demands way too much energy. I believe I've found what I've been looking for and it's time to move on. As for informing others of these things, forget it. If someone wants to learn, they learn. If someone is open, they hear. If someone doesn't, they won’t. You can't change how someone thinks, not without dropping a ton of bricks on them. The truth will be learned, but it won't come from these lips (and nor will I be doing any research on these issues, I'll just remain open for any information that comes my way.) It's simply too much to handle.

I have a book to work on, and a life to live.

Anyway, thought I'd announce that. Not sure why. Anyway, back to living! cheers

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:05 pm

Firstly...OMG!!! I LOVE FRAGGLE ROCK!! It is my favourite show from childhood!! Well, equal favourite with H R Pufnstuff CoolCat

You just need some time out to breathe...and live...and GET SOME LIGHT!! sunny


Take a step back Blue, you don't have to step away completely.

You will find your balance Hug
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:35 pm

Wow, I loved that show too! I think one time I actually missed an episode and I freaked!

Hey it'd be cool if they had Fraggle smilies! lol!
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:55 pm

Here in Australia, Fraggle Rock is being shown again on tv. My kids are sooo into it, and it is strange for me watching it 20 years after it was originally on (wow, has it really been that long??). I have two stuffed toys I bought as a kid of Gobo Fraggle and Wembley. I used to talk to that Gobo all the time. He was a good listener!! And how are those doozer constructions? Who would have thought radishes could be made into such beautiful crystalline structures, hey? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:00 pm

I just dropped by this old thread, 'cause, well, much due to the "The REAL Truth"-pdf-file I posted in "Awakening", I'm at the same point now that Blue is/was at... You may have noticed that I've only been really active in the two lowest forums of Indigo Spirit and not in the other forums recently, not even concerning the US elections and voting for Ron Paul, and that I've been in a bit of doubt as to the importance of what we've been doing/are doing...

Well, it's because I'm tired. As Blue says, it drains you, and I, even though I may be young, don't have the energy to keep trying to show people what they're doing to their own world. I don't have the will power to try and warn people of the planetary suicide they're committing... I will never give up my own freedom, not even if armed soldiers march down Lolipop Lane, but I, quite frankly, am tired of trying to warn people of their own mistakes.

And, I believe I have learnt the truth, or at least as close to it as I'm going to bother coming in this life. No, no more conspiracies for me. I'm tired, and from now on, I'm going to live life instead of read about it, so to speak. Razz I got to think about what to do with my life, what I'm going to work with in the future - and NWO rebel won't work there 'cause there's no money in it, and it's no way to live a life - and I got to start planning the future, where I don't think there is any room for conspiracies. From now on, I'll worry about getting a job, a girlfriend, family, and all the other neat stuff, instead of the latest Bildeberg meeting.

Don't worry, I'm not leaving Indigo Spirit (I wouldn't want to leave all my good friends behind), but don't expect me to participate too much in the conspiracy forums. Although I might drop a piece of info or two to somebody I talk with, to get their interest piqued, I'm not going to try and convince them. They're on their own there.

Me, I've got a life to live. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:59 pm

I know how you feel, Loxley. I guess we need to learn to be diplomatic/political. We're talking about things that upset people, so, we need to learn patience plus we need to improve our social/communative skills.

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:16 pm

I'm with you Loxley! Life is for living.

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:30 am

Thank you, Night. Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. Wink

Blue,you're probably right. But me, meh, I don't have the energy to try and convince people anymore. I'll never lie about my beliefs, but I'm not going to cross any pit of doom to convince anyone else either. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sun Feb 03, 2008 4:09 am



Yes, here's to life Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:32 am

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:48 am

Word! Here's to life! Hey2
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:17 pm

Which finger is that?

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:33 pm

That depends on how much homework I have each day. Wink

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I was in school today and we talked about EU. Me and a homie ended up talking about how sucky it is, and how EU is the New World Order. That's when I realized that I can't lay off conspiracies all together, 'cause it's in my nature. I could say that Americans will have to take responsibility for giving up their freedoms, but I will then have to take responsibility for not showing them what it would lead to. And of course, what's closer to me, is the European Union, which is almost the same as what's happening in America with the North-American Union. In fact, in that way, we're closer to Mount Doom than America is.

So, I've made a decision. Some people in our world of conspiracy "theorists" might hate me for it, but.... Still, with consideration to the place in life where I stand now, I think it's the wisest thing I can do. That is to use their own tools to beat them, in a sense.

I'm not going to warn people of the New World Order. Not yet, at least. First, I'm going to warn them of the European Union, and the Euro. It's not as crazy sounding as a New World Order, and a corrupt government like EU is more reasonably sounding than a cabal of all-powerful shadowy puppet masters controlling the world's govenrments, and easier to digest for somebody who isn't into conspiracies.

I know, I know.... The New World Order is the very essence of our enemy, the very force that drives EU. But I'm starting to think that it's up to people themselves to find this out. My job is only to warn them of the huge montrosity that is the European Union, which is what threatens us Europeans the most, currently. I don't have the stomach to go for the High Price that is the New World Order, anymore. I guess this means I'll play their game. But just because it's their game doesn't mean we can't win it.

In fact, I think it's easier to make a difference this way, but of course, it won't be a full victory even if EU is completely dissolved. But still, it'll be a victory, and after that, who knows what will happen? So that's what I'm going to aim for from now on. Not too high an aim, and it won't take too much of my life away, but it'll still do good against the bastardos that are the New World Order. In a way, actually, I'm going to go at it the same way that Ron Paul is, though I wouldn't dream of comparing myself to someone of his calibre.

Well, this of course means I'm starting to drop by old conspiracy forums from time to time again. Maybe I just needed some time off from conspiracies to realize this was what I needed to do, but... Whether Earth is a prison planet or not... Whether our fates are already sealed or not... I don't want to live in a police state if I can avoid it, and I won't be able to do that by turning my back. I guess my place in this "Infowar" isn't by Alex Jones' side, but rather, where I can actually make a difference. scratch
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:57 pm

I can't give up hope either, Loxley. We are truth seekers.

What do you mean about EU and the North-American Uninion? You seem to know more than I do. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:01 am

I guess that's true. Though I believe I've found the truth, I still can't give up fighting.

Well, EU and the North-American Union are both "trade agreements". Thing is... EU has now developed also into a military alliance, (Eurocorps with others. Not a military alliance per se, but entire international military outfits are being put under the command of the EU), and is turning into a federation with it's own parliament and constitution, federal bank and economy (the euro).


And I think NAU is having the same objective. Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:38 pm

Seems like the whole world is managing to turn itself into corporate-driven military factions. Seems the One World Order is blossoming to life. Great. Wonderful. We need a miracle. Or two.

Right now information is the key. Ever listen to Alex Jones? His show goes into a lot of this stuff.

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:28 am

Imho, miracles are for losers. And we've not lost. Wink

I might be overly positive right now, but... There has never, in world history, been a dictatorship that has managed to last. Save the roman empire, and that was different than a dictatorship in many ways. This world police state might be larger than anything we've ever encountered. But it'll be a dictatorship just the same. And it has the future against it - every day will be a struggle for it to survive.

Unfortunately, I must say that any soldier or policeman who tries to throw me in a Swedish gulag will die a horrible, violent death, or it's equivalent (I might devour his soul, or just destroy it, I'm not sure yet). But my point is, we don't really need a miracle, because if we just take a stand, I don't think there's any way the New World Order can win.

For now, information.
When the time comes....
Dirty fighting. We have about six billion people on planet Earth. If one billion would decide, "Hell, let's put the rest of Earth's population in a police state, and we'll play the soldiers to round them up and throw them in prison camps", well, there'd be five billion against one. And now, I'm being overly positive surrounding the support the NWO has. Their numbers don't even count that far. So we have about five hundred elitists who try to rule Earth, and about six billion people who says they won't.
What's our chances? Wink


And, yeah, Alex Jones is a good man. But unfortunately, I think he makes little impact on humanity as large. That's one reason why I've deicded to go with this non-conspiratory viewpoint from here on, because I believe it'll be easier to stop a NWO this way. Alex goes the hard way, though, and should have respect for it.
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:17 pm

Can you explain more of what you mean? You don't want to go into conspiracies but yet you want to oppose the NWO?

That almost makes sense to me, and I guess I've been half considering something like that. And doing, in real life; keeping my mouth shut on these issues. But I don't know, the truth needs to come out. I guess we need to learn patience for now, and wait and see what happens. Whatever results, we'll have to follow our intuition.

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:33 pm

Yeah, and following my gut feeling is what I'm doing right now. This pretty much comes together with my life the way I'm intending to live it in the future (time for me to choose what job to get, and all that stuff, you know...damn, I'm growing up I guess...). But, let me see if I can explain how I'm planning to beat the NWO in their own game.

I got the idea when watching a few documentaries about EU - you can find them on http://torrentchannel.com - there's three movies about EU, all of them worth watching, as are all others that's been uploaded there, by the way. These movies don't even mention something like a New World Order, Illuminati, and whatnot. But they do, however, show that EU IS becoming a dictatorship because we cannot fire members of the EU parliament, for example. It's hard to explain, easier to understand when watching the movies. But, they do it, anyway, in a way that doesn't make them look like crackpots, but rather, in a way that makes it almost obvious to the viewer that EU, quite plainly, sucks. And they appear like, I guess "concerned citizens" is the best way to put it. (Which, in turn, get them in favor with the public, which is good for "the Cause").

For example, they use simple logics, plain evidence and laws written BY the European Union, statistics about the Euro, and so on. Free information, and, again, nothing related to conspiracy theories. They use this to show us the real face of the European Union.

When we were discissing EU in school, me and my pal (who's also into conspiracies) were working the deal about how bad EU is, and how it's taking away power from Sweden and TO the European Union. Unfortunately, we weren't that effective, I think, 'cause we were ill prepared and all we really had was our dislike for EU and knowledge it was really the NWO at it's finest (which of course we couldn't say). But it gave me an idea on what I think is the way I should do my part in fighting the New World Order.

For now, my objective is EU and everything else that is conspiracy related *beneath* the surface but out of view for anyone who doesn't look too closely. Show films about how sucky EU is, show movies about what the US has done in Iraq, mercenaries in Iraq, election fraud suspicions in the US, globalization tendencies and what they mean to us, and how we've given away our power to money... Disappearance of civil liberties in the Land of the Free... That sort of stuff. Things that make people concerned, but not scare them away.

It's conspiracy related, but it's not conspiracy related in a way that makes it look like spoutings of a madman, and it won't turn away a listener. On the contrary, it's politics, and if I can actually make people see, then it means they will resist EU, and by doing that, resisting the New World Order. Thereby, I can beat the New World Order in their own game. And when they're beaten, then we're safe - for that time at least. Then, MAYBE, if the people have seen and waken up to what the NWO truly did try against us, then they can be punished, and we won't have to worry about a second NWO.

As for the truth needing to be known, I agree wholeheartedly. But I've also come to believe, partly after Ron Paul's election campaign, partly after events taken place in my "Real truth"-thread, partly because of other things that's taken place in my life lately, that the truth is something that, while it can't be silenced, must be found out by everyone for themselves. I can tell people about aliens and Illuminati and paranormal events and stuff. But I'm not sure they will believe me, unless they see or discover it for themselves. There is no point in telling them anyway, if they can't see the tendencies that are in front of their eyes already.

Until that time, however, I'm happy as long as they reject EU, NAU, African Union, or Asian Union, and whatever else these crackpots will call their political inventions. And I'll work towards that goal for now... The rest, I'll deal with when my first goal has been reached; to turn the tide against EU, that is.

I believe THAT is how we must fight the New World Order. And I respect people, like Alex Jones, who believe otherwise. They believe they can make a change that way, I hope I can make a change this way. Wink


Edit: Damn, my posts are getting long-winded. I guess I'm starting to ramble, these days. Sorry 'bout that. silent
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:36 pm

That's ok Loxley. We love your posts! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:14 am

Heh, thanx. It's good to know my rambling isn't in vain. Laughing

Actually, I think I'm gonna start a blog one day dealing with politics, and getting a conspiracy view on it. Or something like that. Then I may knock myself out writing as long posts as I want to. Surprised

Edit: And now I have. Though it'll not future only blogging about conspiracies (and even then only within the "acceptable" portion, as I've mentioned above), it might be for an interesting read. I'll do some philosophing about my own life, about politics, the way we live our lives, and everything else I feel like blogging about. And, when it comes to politics, I'll write about things that might open people's eyes to what's happening in the world.

Anyway, my blog: http://rambling-spirit.blogspot.com/

So far, just a greeting, but, meh... Read it if you like. The more the merrier. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:10 pm

Yes that's the same conclusion I'm reaching as well. The best that we can do, I guess, is to research, weigh the evidence, research more, and compile our evidence with care. Meanwhile we can encourage open-mindedness, but perhaps we should be careful what we say. I'm not sure people are ready for the truth yet. But at any rate, I'll follow my intuition.

Yes like Night said, we appreciate your posts.

I've probably seen most of those videos before. I've already watched many, many hours of documentary footage and evidence on 9-11 and the cover-up. There are always new pieces of evidence coming forward, like a number of well-known individuals admitting that they were warned about flying to New York in the morning of 9-11.

I believe in a Globalist agenda, and that they are trying to organize all continents and nations of the world, or as many as possible, to prepare for their global Fascist movement. They partially control most of the leading countries of the world. This issue is more important than aliens and UFOs, although the fact that they have this technology is important. I guess the evidence is what's important, not our take on it..?

I'll check your blog out.

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:39 pm

Thanks. I tend to get kind of longwinded when posting some times. It's good to know it's not annoying everyone. Razz


I've come to realize something about this whole globalist plan. Much of the plan is based on laws, laws restricting our movements, laws allowing them to spy on us, and - this is the important ones - laws preventing us as a country from leaving, say, the EEC (the European Economic community, also known as the common European currency, the Euro). BUT, and here's the thing... These laws are just words written on paper. They should be respected, as long as they are intended for our welfare. BUT...

The day when they are used against us, laws should not be respected any more. And if we treat them like that, then all they will be are words, and the globalists will have lost a great deal of their power. If the European Constitution says we cannot leave the EEC...then we will leave EEC anyway, with force if necessary! In that case, it will be like during the Cold War, when Eastern countries fought for their independence from the Soviet union, or when the African nations freed themselves from the oppression of colonialism in the early and middle of the 20th Century.

Laws can be used for the protection of the people, but not for the oppression of us, unless we allow them to. In the end, all they are, is words, written on a piece of paper. And we should only give them that much power.


As for my blog, the first post didn't deal very much with conspiracies, more with myself, my goal to become an adventurer. But, you may have noticed, it deals with work, and it's role in our society today. I felt this is important, because, as my post says, people ARE afraid of being without a job, and this fear make them take whatever job they can get, even if they hate the job. And this makes them slaves of the globalists, whether or not they want to see it, and slaves under money.

If they go to work every day hating it, they will be too tired to think when they get home, and if they're too tired to think, then the Enemy won't even have to chip them to take power.

That's the type of posts I'm going to make on my blog, posts that might give people some insight, and help them make their lives better, give them guts to stand up for their own lives, and of course, make them see the real face of our world.



...of course, there's no guarantee anyone will read it. Wink


Edit: I updated my blog. There's a link to another blog of mine now, Ramblings of a Conspiracy Dawg. As the name might imply, I've decided to use that one to talk about politics, EU, and all that stuff, while I'll use the other one to discuss life, important events, and so on. A minor detail really.
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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:20 pm

Oh sorry, didn't notice this post.

Yeah. You seem to be especially interested in Europe's role in this. Do you think that the Globalists are centred there? I didn't think they were centred anywhere exactly. London I can see.

Haven't been to your blog yet actually. I'll get to it tonight or tomorrow. bounce

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PostSubject: Re: No More Conspiracies   Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:31 pm

Well, the way I see it, I wouldn't say they're centered here in Europe. Most of them (the Rothschilds, Carnegie for example) ARE European, so, I'm assuming that's where it's starting, even though we can see more signs of it in the US for now. But the threat is world wide, of course.

The reason I'm most interested in the EU is that for now, that's where I can make a change. I'm just as interested in NAU and AU, but if a Swede warns Americans, they'll give the same reaction Fanuilh is so fond of, "Why do you care, it's not your country". But EU, on the other hand, there, it IS my country. It's practically my backyard.
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